livrevoar
It is ironic that Muhammad denied the Trinity when the Christians who influenced him before his revelations were heretics who also denied the Trinity. One such example is the monk Bahira, who lived in Syria. Muhammad was clearly borrowing from the theology he had access to, and yet it was a twisted theology that all of the branches of Christianity rejected (Look at the Council of Nicea A.D. 325, Chalcedon 425).
webdawah
He met Bahira only once at the age of 12-14. He did not become a prophet untill he was 40. Imagine how long he would have had to keep all that knowlege of Christianity to himself without telling a soul. Besides, he had to be a genius for retaining all that information in oly one meeting.
livrevoar
Bahira is only one example. There were many renowned monks in the Arabian Peninsula such as Babira, who were Monophysitic or Nestorian. These sects were dominant in and around Mecca during the time of Muhammad. There were even Christian artifacts in the Ka'bah of Mecca that were central to these groups. This is all well-documented history that you should know. "History" in more ways than one seeing that all Jews & Christians were soundly decimated at Muhammad's behest.
webdawah Irrespective of who lived where, the revelation of the Qur'an mentioned people accusing the Prophet(pbuh) of getting information from a particular source who did not even speak in Arabic. I wonder why the Arabs who opposed him did not come up with these claims. The Qur'an even mentioned stories, while saying that none of them knew it before it revelation. I wonder why none of the opposition spoke up about fore knowledge of these things.
webdawah
You will not be able to give an unbiased or incontrovertible source that Muhammad(pbuh) decimated Jews and Christians when not at war.
livrevoar
You cannot possibly act is if there is no incontrovertible evidence. It is heart-wrenching to think that Muhammad's dying words were "turn Al-Mushrikun (all disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) out of the Arabian Peninsula (Bukhari, vol. 5, 64, 4431). To know that Muhammad's legacy of genocide lead him to exterminate not only the Jewish tribes who refused to believe exactly what he said, but all Christians and Jews. Today's Saudi Arabia with no church, and no Synagogue to be found is a tribute to his brutal legacy of death.
livrevoar
Christianity alone offers a genuine relationship with God, because it teaches us that God is not only transcendent, but also immanant. He was prophesied as "Emmanuel" (Isaiah 8:8) which is translated "God with us." This solemn title cannot tell us anything rational about Jesus Christ if it is not telling us that he is God incarnate. Turn to him for forgiveness of sins. He loves you, and after all your good deeds fall short of pleasing God, only Christ alone can grant you access to God.
webdawah
The story told about Jesus in the New Testament, does not conform with "Immanuel" of Isiah 8:8. You call it a title, but nowhere in the New testament is Jesus(pbuh) referred to as that. The sign of Immanuel was for King Ahaz, who lived during the time of Isaiah. Only God can forgive sins, all you need to do is ask.
livrevoar
Webdawah! You have not read the Gospels. The sobriquet "Emmanuel" was given to Jesus by the angel of the Lord in Matthew 1:23. Notice when you read this passage that the name "Emmanuel" was to be proclaimed at Jesus' birth in Bethlehem to proclaim that his advent was nothing less than its Hebrew meaning, "God with us."
livrevoar
when you put the pieces together and realize that this was the fulfillment of Isaiah's prophecy made as much as 700 years prior is phenomenal "And a virgin shall conceive and have a son, and his name shall be called, Emmanuel" (Isa. 7:14). Not only was God to be "with us" in the flesh in the form of Christ, but we are even told that he would be born of a virgin.
webdawah
I actually have read the Gospel. I even made a seires(Dubious Writings") about them. This issue of Immanuel was discussed in one of them. Check it out. I have already reponded to the descrepancies between Isaiah and Matthew. It might be in the 4th part of "Dubious Writings."
livrevoar
Webdaway: You are interesting to talk to and I appreciate your willingness to give answers to my arguments. I should have time later to continue the discussion on Trinity and Incarnation, both doctrines which are the center of the Christian faith. I am not a deluded European, however; I will not debase myself by calling Islam a religion of peace in order to buy a few more years of peace, when I know there will be no peace until either two things happen . . .
livrevoar
All the world will be beaten into submission (Dar al Islam) where you hope to successfully establish a world-wide, unified Callifate, or Jesus Christ will return with the glory of his Father and establish a kingdom of peace which will have no end (Daniel 2:44). I opt for the latter and pray that God, in his time, will open your eyes and bring you out of darkness and into his marvelous light.
webdawah
It is interesting that you quote from Daniel, but I would challenge you to show me anywhere in Daniel that speaks of Christians or Christianity. The topic of end time can also be discussed between you and me at your convenience. Whenever you are ready we can continue were we stopped and if you do not want to continue I understand. I just don't like when people start switching topics on me. I hope the one true God opens your heart to Him. Peace.
livrevoar
It is also interesting that you use the same language of God's Spirit drawing the heart of man to himself that is used in the Bible (Acts 16:14, John 6:44). But show me in the Qur'an where God lovingly draws men to himself? If there is such a warrant, how do you you square this gentle drawing with the mass carnage that is commanded in the Qur'an?
relucta
Al-Waddud = The Loving ... One of Gods beautiful 99 names
webdawah
Allahu Akbar!
webdawah
You mean this type of carnage?; Surah 4:17, 4:26, 6:12, 6:54, 6:155, 9:15, 9:26, 9:106, 9:117, 23:118, 27:46, 33:73, 39:53 etc. Be more specific.
livrevoar
You make this too easy! The entire eigth chapter of the Qur'an (Al-Anfal) is devoted to dealing with the spoils of war. Muhammad was such so devoted to the genocide of all non-Muslims that extensive paramaters had to be set to deal with all he had stolen in his raids. These were not just any raids; but raids that Muhammad provoked (Nakhla, Badr, etc) for the advancement of Islam. Not for any other reason.
livrevoar
Muhammad himself was so narcussistic that anyone who insulted him in any way was to suffer humiliating death, preferrably by beheading (read Sura 47:4). This was the demise of the Jewish poet, K'abbin Al-Ashraf, who was murdered because of what we would call "poetic justice."Anyone who rejected Muhammad or his message was called "the vilest of creatures" thus deserving no mercy (read Sura 98:6).Islam is anything but a religion of free thought and dialogue; it is the fingerprint of a demagogue.
livrevoar
More than 139 Danes have already been killed because of a cartoonist's satire of Muhammad. Yet you have never seen someone killed because they criticized the Pope, George Bush, Gordon Brown, Ghandi, the UN, or better yet, even Jesus Christ, the Son of God. What this zeitgeist among Muslims conveys is that ideas have consequences. When you follow an intolerant leader who allowed no dissent, you will foster the same intolerance.
This brings us to the end of the discussion. Webdawah, has not yet had an opportunity to respond to my last statements, but I'm sure he will. I'm sure this discussion will continue because the one thing we both have in common is that we have to have the last word. Even if it is obvious that he is not at his computer at the time I post a comment, I will go back to youtube.com days later, and find that he has responded.
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